tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.comments2020-08-04T02:38:06.118-04:00Venice City [Hall] Hell -- the official blog of Venice Florida! dot comJohn Patten, Venice Florida! dot comhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02613897630149157295noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-81390179092825526062011-01-24T16:04:10.465-05:002011-01-24T16:04:10.465-05:00Interesting article, and fascinating report on the...Interesting article, and fascinating report on the judge's decision and the reasons for it. Thank you for posting it and keeping us informed on important <a href="http://www.floridapublicrecordsblog.com" rel="nofollow">Florida public records</a> issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-49724913666487474172011-01-15T22:58:07.891-05:002011-01-15T22:58:07.891-05:00It is incredibly important for transparency to occ...It is incredibly important for transparency to occur in all government and public institution procedures. Without transparency, there can be no trust. Without trust, there is no real confidence in society with what its governement is doing. Except in cases of extreme national security interest, or to protect the personal privacy of someone not involved in a government or public court procedure, transparency should be an utmost consideration of governments everywhere.<br /><br />Stephanie at <a href="http://www.floridapublicrecordsblog.com" rel="nofollow">Florida Public Records Blog</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-50104827960368154752010-12-23T11:44:43.027-05:002010-12-23T11:44:43.027-05:00"The cheater invariably copies the mistakes.&..."The cheater invariably copies the mistakes." Perfect..https://www.blogger.com/profile/00844820226732949474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-80556821546870832422010-07-15T04:09:14.382-04:002010-07-15T04:09:14.382-04:00As a Newbie, I am always searching online for arti...As a Newbie, I am always searching online for articles that can help me. Thank you Wow! Thank you! I always wanted to write in my site something like that<br /><br /><a href="http://www.peoplerecords.com/public-records/" rel="nofollow">Public Records </a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13405851584869022477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-14941415804859051602009-11-19T10:05:13.717-05:002009-11-19T10:05:13.717-05:00Thanks(?), but... that's kind of patronizing, ...Thanks(?), but... that's kind of patronizing, especially when, to quote Truman Capote, "That isn't writing at all, it's typing."<br /><br />This is inverted pyramid, basic news style writing, a majorly regressive form for the web. I better know how to write like this, it is the basic beginner's style-sheet lesson in news writing where the story writes itself once you know the format. Utterly brainless stuff that eludes at least one local print news "editor."<br /><br />For a story with this limited kind of content, you have to do it this way instead of my normal magazine story style.<br /><br />So no, I am not getting better. In this case I am dumbing a story down, a deliberate regression based on the needs of the content of the story, which is basically a summary of (or a book report of sorts on) a single legal filing.John Patten, Venice Florida! dot comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02613897630149157295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-20952928508618527612009-11-18T20:16:53.794-05:002009-11-18T20:16:53.794-05:00Nice job, JP. Your writing has definitely improved...Nice job, JP. Your writing has definitely improved, and this story is worthy of a wider audience than venfl.com.E-manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15282916125202320111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-85175934641054549102009-11-18T19:15:01.830-05:002009-11-18T19:15:01.830-05:00If Harry Walia needs reconciliation, he needs to s...If Harry Walia needs reconciliation, he needs to stop his lawsuits. Venice cannot hang the change it needs on one person as if Walia is their hero--he is not. He has been despitefully using people and would do so in office. Change can happen without Walia and his money. His "success" in his campaign has more to do with his money. Once they know the other side, they won't be happy.ktorrenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875922256607967771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-63559332310329482322009-11-18T15:16:01.382-05:002009-11-18T15:16:01.382-05:00Bet they respond to that on time.Bet they respond to that on time.LISVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04313289183147692803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-6817332336934272802009-11-17T09:52:38.300-05:002009-11-17T09:52:38.300-05:00John--
Thanks for prompt reply. Perhaps we should...John--<br />Thanks for prompt reply. Perhaps we should try to do our part to make politics in Venice more amicable. <br /><br />It will be interesting to see what Ed Martin has to say about my proposal.<br /><br />And, by the way, Machiavelli advocates keeping your enemies even closer than your friends.<br /><br />Mike DowdMichael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-67662661152214163412009-11-17T09:41:12.758-05:002009-11-17T09:41:12.758-05:00Wait... WHAT???
Walia supporters are currently ci...Wait... WHAT???<br /><br />Walia supporters are currently circulating a top ten hit list. Martin and Lang are one and two respectively. I'm number three. The list is hilarious, but underscores the fact that Walia doesn't want peace, he wants power.<br /><br />Two attorneys are on the list: Marshall Happer and Dan Lobeck (misspelled as Loebeck). Apparently Dan and Jeff Boone are up for sainthood.<br /><br />Harry Walia's best contribution to Venice would be to leave. You forget -- this is a man who sent a woman to try to get me into a fight. When that didn't work, the pair of them tried to have me arrested. I still need to file a complaint about the pair of them filing a false complaint against me, mainly to bolster the case against Walia for filing a false police report against landscaper Garry Moore.<br /><br />I don't know what you are thinking, but Walia couldn't pass a background investigation needed to become a garbage collector.<br /><br />Ed Martin has let a number of political enemies stay or come in under the guise of reconciliation. Didn't work. Not once. Every single one of them squandered the chance to make peace and move forward as a chance to commit political assassination. Paula Dumas, Diana Mier, Greg Shanika, Janis Fawn, and Nancy Woodley immediately spring to mind, but there are others.<br /><br />Martin's weakness is that he tried to become a reconciliator when he should have been taking notes from Machiavelli.<br /><br />Finally -- Walia's math is not right in any sense of the words 'math' or 'not right.' Nobody EVER reports or math accounts an election by dividing the difference in half and reporting that as the margin of loss. Except maybe losers. Well, singular. Loser. As in this particular loser, Harry Walia.<br /><br />The only reason Walia's race was so close is because both newspapers went on a campaign of refusing to report the facts. Finally, the Herald-Tribune took a look at part of the Walia story, but by then it was almost too late.<br /><br />The voters have been misinformed about Ed Martin and Sue Lang for two years, why stop now? Oh here's a solution -- maybe if we let Harry Walia in, everything will be nice again.<br /><br />As though politics in Venice were ever nice.John Patten, Venice Florida! dot comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02613897630149157295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-88818645074481436362009-11-17T06:57:08.361-05:002009-11-17T06:57:08.361-05:00John--
It's seems to me it's time for some...John--<br />It's seems to me it's time for some reconciliation. Harry Walia has much to contribute to Venice and it would be wise to listen to him as he Emilio accounted for about 60% of the vote. <br /><br />Everyone knows there is much dissatisfaction with the way things have progressed (regressed) in Venice for a number of years. What's needed is a strategic plan that voters can understand and generally agree along with a council with the courage and wisdom to make it happen.<br /><br />Accordingly, I think Ed Martin and the council should ask Harry to chair a citizens advisory committee that would provide a strategy and recommendations for consideration by council.<br /><br />To me this would be smart politics and good for Venice.<br /><br />Mike Dowd<br /><br />PS: By the way Harry was right about the 70 votes. This assumes 70 less for Bennett.Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-85897204689213705052009-11-12T14:25:08.714-05:002009-11-12T14:25:08.714-05:00TriState Aviation just filed as a LLC on 11/06/09 ...TriState Aviation just filed as a LLC on 11/06/09 http://sunbiz.org/pdf/30560073.pdf<br /><br />Paul Mascia, the attorney of record for them, has a main office located near the Sanford Airport in Orlando which is most likely where Kretchman worked for Avion Jet Center.<br /><br />So Marty, as a show of transparency, I'm curious if this is just the 3 of you putting your hard earned dollars on the line or do you all still work for Volo and this is a personal side venture or is Volo backing you or is your old group Avion involved or all of the above?<br /><br />Can't wait to hear your response ...Mary Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02493604903618892233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-22496887262282678892009-11-08T15:27:50.865-05:002009-11-08T15:27:50.865-05:00So what you're telling us is that the commerci...So what you're telling us is that the commercial interests and their media shills are characterized by desperation and more than the usual number of liars, and that Ed Martin, while having a heart of gold and being a terrific administrator is dull as dishwater.<br />I thought this blog was supposed to let us know things that aren't common knowledge.Lee Karrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-70332859032492990882009-11-08T09:41:06.061-05:002009-11-08T09:41:06.061-05:00Wiand figured out that Roger Jernigan was a schmuc...Wiand figured out that Roger Jernigan was a schmuck with a shady past (see his firing from the Sheriff's Office, not just what he was fired for but what else he was being investigated for, plus the fact that he was Nadel's right-hand man).<br /><br />Jernigan figured out that whoever Wiand gets as an owner won't want him around. Jernigan also figured out, probably quite correctly, that the only new owner dumb enough to keep him on would be the city, so Jernigan makes a pitch, saying he's calling on behalf of the receiver.<br /><br />Wiand probably never approved the offer, or, if he did, it was a "yeah, whatever, let me know what you come up with" just to get Jernigan off of the phone after Jernigan mentioned (beg, beg, beg) the idea to Wiand.<br /><br />City heard Jernigan's offer, thinks it came from Wiand, so the city asked Wiand, "OK, well, what all are we talking about here?"<br /><br />Wiand, irritated with the whole mess, promptly and viciously swats anything that he sees moving and, as such, he propogates a couple of new hilarious fictions. <br /><br />Why else would Jernigan come up with the idea and make the offer, supposedly for Wiand? I don't see Wiand using Jernigan as his spokesman, plus Wiand is now denying the validity of any such offer of sale to the city. Thus: this offer naver came from Wiand, despite what Jernigan communicated to the city.<br /><br />So as to Jernigan's foot-eating move of offering up the Jet Center to the city, no other possible version of events that I can come up with makes any sense. Jernigan will, of course, deny this, so there's no sense asking him.<br /><br />In the meantime, the newspapers assume the city has actually made a legitimate offer to buy the Jet Center (which never, in fact, ever happened, only a preliminary inquiry was made, based on Jernigan's loopy bogus offer).<br /><br />With that, the fun begins with Giles and Hackett reporting that the city's (in reality, non-existent) offer to purchase the Jet Center has been slammed down.<br /><br />Add water, reader's comments based on their reaction to a created fiction that they now believe as truth, stir and voila: INSTANT BOGUS CONTROVERSY!!!!!<br /><br />Hizzoner's letter does little to dispel the controversy. It's really wordy and convoluted, though, a good scheme usually used for hiding the truth, but in this case city hall needed the truth to come out clear.<br /><br />Ed: You're trying to be polite with an angry mob that is setting fire to your house. "Please, can't we all just be friends" ain't gonna work against a mob of media liars and misled lunatics like Wilmore who are waiting to capitalize on the lies.<br /><br />Now if you will excuse me, I have to do my morning routine of banging my head on my desk.John Patten, Venice Florida! dot comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02613897630149157295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-11993317979946839762009-11-07T21:05:15.272-05:002009-11-07T21:05:15.272-05:00Venice is like the Desperate Housewives of the Sou...Venice is like the Desperate Housewives of the South ... does anyone tell the truth?? How Venice island hasn't cracked off and drifted into the Gulf from the weight of all the shiat that people shovel here is astonishing. The scary part is every one of these morons has been on or associated with council ... how the heck do you keep voting for these reeky boil-brained maggot-pies (to borrow from JP borrowing from Shakespeare)??Mary Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02493604903618892233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-53251886549273270022009-11-07T09:28:57.856-05:002009-11-07T09:28:57.856-05:00An Italian guy by the name of Gepetto. Next year, ...An Italian guy by the name of Gepetto. Next year, he's going to turn me into a real boy.John Patten, Venice Florida! dot comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02613897630149157295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-31989941747364980212009-11-07T07:12:00.948-05:002009-11-07T07:12:00.948-05:00Don't count the city out yet. This is posturin...Don't count the city out yet. This is posturing, and the newspapers (as well as their readers) should not be so gullible. Wiand made more than a few false statements in his letter, and they won't be that hard to point out to a judge. Up until this point, Wiand has been very cagey, but he may have overstpped his authority.<br /><br />Something else is going on here that's darned strange. John Simmonds had advance knowledge of what Wiand was going to write and he said as much at the last council meeting -- Simmonds has the Boones as his attorney and the Boones are working with Wiand, so Simmonds gets to play both sides of the fence.<br /><br />When the mayor asked Simmonds how he knew what the receiver was going to say, Simmonds just shrugged and mumbled something about a guess. When asked if Simmonds had spoken with Wiand, Simmonds took a huge pregnant pause before denying communicating with him ex parte.<br /><br />Still, one has to wonder where, exactly, did Simmonds acquire his prodigious psychic powers.<br /><br />City attorney, city manager, all were negotiating with Wiand, they all thought Wiand would react positively. Now Wiand claims that some of those negotiations never happened, others were in bad faith.<br /><br />That's a huge WTF moment right there.<br /><br />The Boones are in the middle of this, as Wiand brought Dan Boone on board. I wouldn't trust any deal that Dan Boone has his fingers in, he's screwed the city and the airport so many times in the past.<br /><br />If you can't smell a dead rat here, you ain't a big fan of normal respiration.<br /><br />Wiand is all of a sudden being very blatant about not playing fair here, but don't expect the Herald-Trib to notice.John Patten, Venice Florida! dot comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02613897630149157295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-8366714591263740862009-11-05T12:34:16.428-05:002009-11-05T12:34:16.428-05:00John--
Great piece of hilarity! You are sooo good...John--<br />Great piece of hilarity! You are sooo good at this type of thing. In order to truly reincarnate Hunter you should really run for public office swearing that if elected you will not serve. (Winning would spoil everything.) And then you would do a 'Fear and Loathing in Paradise' rendition of the entire fiasco.<br />MikeMichael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-45126356582498576782009-11-05T06:28:25.374-05:002009-11-05T06:28:25.374-05:00John--
Thanks. You comment reminds me of the foot...John--<br />Thanks. You comment reminds me of the football coach who critized a player's running form after he scored a touchdown. The player said; "How was it for distance, coach?"<br />Mike DowdMichael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-79991702981700736632009-11-05T04:29:58.852-05:002009-11-05T04:29:58.852-05:00Your scientific method and understanding of social...Your scientific method and understanding of social science statistics leaves a bit to be desired. Your results are probably true enough, but the path you took to get there is seriously flawed.John Patten, Venice Florida! dot comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02613897630149157295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-60797501929319612222009-11-04T14:43:46.808-05:002009-11-04T14:43:46.808-05:00What everyone knows is that the election was a ref...What everyone knows is that the election was a referendum on the city council. What they don't seem to know is that the council lost last night big time. Anaysis as follows:<br /><br />Srong Pro council votes: Koszarski vote count: 2068.<br /><br />Strong Anti council votes: Walia vote count:2587<br /><br />Moderate vote total: Approx. 700.<br /><br />Moderate anti council vote: Carlesimo vote (3298) less Bennett vote (2726) equals 572 moderate anti council votes.<br /><br />Moderate pro council votes: 700 total moderate minus 572 moderate anti council votes or approximate 128 votes.<br /><br />In summary,I estimate there were 3159 anti council votes vs. 2240 pro council votes (Koszarski 2068 plus 172 moderate votes). This means that nearly 60% of the voters don't care for the way things are going. <br /><br />I hope Ed Martin and his happy band of liberals give this consideration in our heavily devided city with very few moderates. Let's a little more happiness in paradise! <br /><br />Mike DowdMichael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-89206011276328037132009-11-04T14:34:23.943-05:002009-11-04T14:34:23.943-05:00Well, I don't think the Midlams will be inviti...Well, I don't think the Midlams will be inviting me to their Christmas party and I'm sure I'm gonna be crossed right off their Christmas card list. Midlam was a public figure and he became one once again by working as Carlesimo's campaign advisor. If he and his wife want to behave like dumbasses in public, that unfortunately means they get to be called a pair of dumbasses in public. When a dumbass public figure is involved, truth is an absolute affirmative defense.John Patten, Venice Florida! dot comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02613897630149157295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-67542297337802180782009-11-04T14:00:09.407-05:002009-11-04T14:00:09.407-05:00I must admit I found this hysterically funny, even...I must admit I found this hysterically funny, even though the subject matter seems trivial in the big scheme of things, I probably wouldn't think it was funny if it was directed at me. My question is are there consequences for making such nasty (but very funny) comments about people?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03137818433232297177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-58072804790067852782009-11-04T11:34:09.735-05:002009-11-04T11:34:09.735-05:00I'm not at all sure how many people understand...I'm not at all sure how many people understand what your efforts saved Venice from. I, for one, believe that you provided the margin, however slim, that saved Venice's ass in this election.<br />Furthermore, I totally agree with you that efforts must begin immediately to cast the positive narrative of our council's accomplishments in our terms, rather than sit passively by as the local media (businesses) confuse the issues to their advantage, in their distorted terms.<br />Perhaps, (forgive me) using Walia's gambit of sending out mailings -- or -- by buying regularly employed space in local media to tell the truth about the aims and very real accomplishments of our council.<br />In any case, my gratitude to you for your effective involvement in the campaign.Lee Karrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117663967980675336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7789642212024134048.post-18631295907459664192009-11-04T08:43:17.386-05:002009-11-04T08:43:17.386-05:00I just heard a new one that you might like to use ...I just heard a new one that you might like to use some time: insipid assclown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com